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Vince Welnick Live at Palace Theater on 2005-10-05


Topics Tim Burke


Soundcheck *
d1t01. Imagine >
noodling (with Kashmir teases)
Set One
d1t02. tuning >
Shakedown Street >
Sissy Strut >
Shakedown Street
d1t03. China Cat Sunflower >
d1t04. I Know You Rider
d1t05. Don't Let Go >
d1t06. Johnny B. Goode
d1t07. True Blue
d1t08. Franklin's Tower
Set Two
d2t01. They Love Each Other
d2t02. Scarlet Begonias >
d2t03. Viola Lee Blues
d2t04. So Many Roads
d2t05. Bertha >
d2t06. Way To Go Home >
d2t07. Liberty
d2t08. Kashmir >
d2t09. St. Stephen >
d2t10. Helter Skelter


Collection VinceWelnick
Band/Artist Vince Welnick
Venue Palace Theater
Location Hamilton, NY

Source Microtech Gefell M20 > JK Labs ECMS-23 > Oade T+ mod UA5 > Nomad Jukebox 3
Lineage Nomad Jukebox 3 > IBM ThinkPad T41
Taped by Tim Burke
Transferred by Tim Burke

Notes

Recordist : Tim Burke - tburke@upstatetapers.org
Location : Centered, ~25' from stage lip, ~7' high
Mic Config : ~18 cm, 90ยบ
Source : Microtech Gefell M20 > JK Labs ECMS-23 > Oade T+ mod UA5 > Nomad Jukebox 3
Recorded Format : 16 bit, 44.1 kHz
Conversion : Nomad Jukebox 3 > IBM ThinkPad T41
Editing : none
Dither : none
Final Format : 16 bit, 44.1 kHz
Tracking : CD Wave
Compression : FLAC Frontend, Level 6

All DSP performed by Tim Burke.

Notes:
* Vince solo, playing his new keyboard for the first time.
This was my first recording with the JK Labs gear.

Personnel:
Vince Welnick - keyboards, vocals
Mike Jaimes - guitar
Tom Kaelin - drums
Greg Koerner - bass guitar

www.vincewelnick.com
www.gent-treadly.com
www.palacetheater.org

Reviews

Reviewer: CT Deadhead - - April 21, 2011
Subject: Not That Bad
I am not big Vince fan, never thought he was the right choice for the Dead and I didn't think he ever really fit in. They picked Vince for his high range rathe than his keys.

From what I have heard of him, he was a great guy and may he rest in peace knowing that he did bring music to thousands on many nights for years.

This recording is not very good, the playing is OK, they sound like a decent Dead cover band and played better than I thought they would. I think it would be unfair to try and compare this band to any that Bobby or Phil had, or even Furthur for that matter.

I'm sure the people that attended that night enjoyed what they heard, and in the end that is what it's all about.
Reviewer: chsNYC - - September 8, 2010
Subject: Great guitar playing
I really enjoy their version of Bertha and I am a huge fan of Mike Jaime's guitar playing which makes this show worth listening to.
Reviewer: richmond randy - - August 23, 2009
Subject: HATE
SEEMS TO ME THAT YOUVE DONE A BIT OF HATING YOURSELF BY TRASHING WARREN EVERY CHANCE YOU GET EH HYPOCRITE? KEEP ON POSTING YOU FREAK!
Reviewer: boscomorgan - - May 26, 2009
Subject: SOME PEOPLE JUST HATE
AGAIN RICHMOND RANDY SHOWS HE HAS NOT A CLUE.FIRST OFF WHEN PHIL SAID HE COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WORTH LISTENING TO AFTER 1990 WAS BECAUSE OF GARCIA YOU SIMPLE FUCK.THE GRATEFUL DEAD AS A WHOLE WERE NOT WORTH LISTENING TO AFTER 1988,THOUGH SOME OF 1989 HAD ITS MOMENTS,AFTER JERRY HAD HIS MIDI PUT IN HIS GUITAR THAT IS WHEN IT ENDED.ALL THIS BEING SAID RICHMOND RANDY IS STILL PRETTY FREAKIN' STUPID.AND CLUELESS AND IT SHOWS EACH TIME HE SPEAKS.
Reviewer: johnnydead60 - - January 19, 2008
Subject: not so bad
The sound is fairly good though it sounds a bit muddled at times. Setlist is quite dead heavy, and the other tunes were the highlights. Same thoughts as I have when I listen to Ratdog... "pretty good Dead cover band, nothing too exciting here." Got on the bus in '77 loved Keith, never got Brent, thought Vince was much more talented.
Reviewer: dirty jev-o - - October 15, 2007
Subject: liberty?
liberty stinks and the drummer sounds like he should be playing some more boring music instead of trying to play the DEAD's music------he is tired as hell to listen to

and i like Vince
Reviewer: pinecone - - May 5, 2007
Subject: Vince was great
Brother Vinnie was a top notch keyboard player and singer. He had a heart of gold and may he rest in peace knowing he has provided hours and hours of good solid music for his fans around the planet. We will never forget you.
Reviewer: WandrnShaman - - May 4, 2007
Subject: drunks?
You guys mentioning drunks yelling...Vince was just working the crowd up. This venue was alcohol free. 'I'm not feeling the love people, come on let me hear something!' He understood the importance of feeling the music that the crowd brings to a show and playing it how he feels it coming off of them. Like Phil says 'thank you for bringing the music with you tonite. We couldn't play it if it weren't for you' Vince tried to keep the interaction between the crowd and the band alive. It is no fun playing to a dead herd though it may sound sweet out here in cyberspace.
peace
WS

Vince's last show on Archive to date. quality 4.5 I like the crowd and they do not talk over the music. Recording is very nice.

Song selection 5 all the way
Musicianship: 5 again...Vince sounded good and he was FULL of Love for everyone there that nite. This show should be played for any budding musician just to show how it is supposed to be done. He was a gifted musician and dedicated himself to spreading the Love till the end.
Reviewer: Shiva Ho - - December 9, 2006
Subject: Give the Dead Guy a Break
Having recorded over 150 Dead shows from 1979-1992, I honestly felt bad for Vince having to fill Brents seat...Brents death was such a shock that I just couldn't get into Vinnie when he joined. He just didn't seem all that comfortable sitting there in those days & his voice was all over the place...

Listening to this show on it's own merrits tho I can safely say that He had finally come into his own here...The Kashmir gave me chickenskin listening to it...(I never got to see LZ) The whole band seemed inspired & the sound quality is pretty listenable for an audience with a bunch of drunken idiots....why is it that when people get drunk they have to act like that?

It is always nice to hear someone else doing dead songs since we can never hear the Dead doing them ever again. So to all those whiners out there, eat some cheese & crackers & stfu!!! Just be grateful someone has the guts to get up there & play them & you get to either enjoy it or if you don't then go away.
Reviewer: StealinFacesoffheads - - December 9, 2006
Subject: Good Sound
I dont know whats wrong with the sound, it could be better....but i listened to a bunch of the Dead songs, and so many roads was okay...and so was i know you rider.....to offset shitty reviews made by shitty people, i will give this a 5, because i like vince, because the recording is satisfactory, and because the 5 songs i heard were also satisfactory..
i would normally give it a 4 prolly, but like i said to offset shitty reviews
Reviewer: richbutnotwealthy - - December 4, 2006
Subject: 4words....
white...punks..on.....dope.
Reviewer: SpaceRanger - - June 17, 2006
Subject: These were some Golden Days...
This show is pretty cool and I think that Vince and his friends did great with some of these Dead tunes. He really enjoyed playing them. Its a shame he's gone. Its also pretty sad to see what kind of shit low-lifes say/wrote about Vince. If you don't dig the dude fine, don't go out of your way to bad rap him. Majority of the VW haters are pathetic bums anyways. Vince you were awesome and will always be missed by your fans and will never be forgotten. These were some 'Golden Days' with you around making music. RIP brother...
Reviewer: GuinnessGoon - - June 16, 2006
Subject: Thanks for the memories Vinnie
I really enjoyed how Vince wanted to keep playing GD songs and helped keep them alive. Ratdog does a good job of it as well. Phil and his friends do it ok but most of the time kinda cheezy, especially with that billy Warren Haynes. I would have loved to hear Vinnie play a few more of his songs but it seems that he was in a GD mood this particular night. It's pretty sad how some trolls that never even seen the Dead leave shitty reviews just because they didn't like Vince for some reason. Some of them didn't like his voice, but it was aleast better than Phils or Brents. Why don't you rip on them. Whats the point of purposely leaving a shitty review for someone you don't like, especially if your some jobless poser who jumped on the bus to late and still think your headie. Fuck off trolls! Vince was a sweet guy and will be missed. His music will keep his great spirit alive.
Reviewer: leftoverinmissoula - - June 14, 2006
Subject: Fare the Well
Growing up with the Grateful Dead of the 1990's, I can not tell you how important Vince's contribution was. Music is life and you will continue to live on through the music you helped to create. Happy Trails and you will be missed.
Reviewer: Leshtricity - - June 12, 2006
Subject: Excellent show.
Sure, the sound quality leaves a bit to be desired, but the performance is great! My personal favorite of the night is the So Many Roads. Vince does it very lovingly...as if a tribute to Jerry. And whoever said that's crossing a line...shut the hell up. Vince is and always will be GRATEFUL DEAD.

Good performance. If you're not on the Vince-bashing bandwagon, download it. If you are, go fuck yourself.

Seriously, if you're a 'deadhead' and you don't enjoy this show...something's wrong with you. And Vince had EVERY RIGHT to perform GD songs...and quite frankly I LOVE that he threw in Kashmir and Imagine.
Reviewer: NoyoWharfRat - - June 6, 2006
Subject: See ya' later, Vince...
I'm not even going to bother with submitting a "review" here. Sad to hear of this wonderful guy's passing. Worked a few shows with him back in The Tubes days... See ya' in the ether, buddy.

-NWR
Reviewer: csstacy - - June 3, 2006
Subject: How grateful are we
It seems that the gratefulness has left our community. Yes I am picking the day I learned of Vince's passing but...

How dare you all be so critical. For one (as I listen to "so many roads") complain that playin this song "crosses the line". What line? Is Jerry the only one that can reflect on his life through music in his later years?

If anything Vince is the last member to truely carry forward the principles that made our community what it WAS.

Love ya Vince - R.I.P.
Reviewer: gratefuldaddy - - January 5, 2006
Subject: Why bother
I did listen to all of it, and I have to ask, "why bother?" Sound quality is poor at best, and none of these versions have any redeeming qualities. Maybe the band was playing their heart out and it was a great concert to attend, but none of that carried over to this recording.
Reviewer: raoulduke - - December 18, 2005
Subject: Vince Welnick & Gent Treadly - 2005-10-05
Please refrain from reviewing a show if your biased opinions are going to shine through. Not listening to the complete recording and then giving a "review" is misleading and doing a dis-service to the others that read it.

Your comments, "Muddy69" are quite amusing to say the least. The only tuning in this show was during the soundcheck and before the first tune, which shows how much of this show you listened to.

As for the "drunken idiot" statement, they don't sell alcohol at this venue.

Now for MY review, who was actually in attendence and recorded these two sets.

This recording sounds above average, I would rate it a solid B. Not great, but surely not bad either. As for the music itself, it is what it is. I actually listen to this show quite regularly, and I own thousands of hours of the "real GD" in my collection. It's nice to hear new takes on old songs, the band was inspired, and acted very professional throughout. They were working their asses off that night and it translates through this recording. Most satisfying of all for me and probably them also, was that they were having fun up there. Take it or leave it, but please review how the show is and not how you feel about Vince personally.

Let it go guys, atleast Vince is spreading a positive message.

I highly recommend this download if you are a fan of the Grateful Dead catalog.
Reviewer: Muddy69 - - December 14, 2005
Subject: pathetic
I was scrolling through to see if there were any new artists up on the archive and Vinny had a show up and decided to check it out. Well the tuning and drunken idiots yelling in the closet he was playing should tell you how bad this is. I suffered through a few tunes, kind of like watching a train wreck. I don't know why the Dead ever picked this stiff to begin with and he certainly hasn't done anything to redeam himself in his post _GD career. Absolutley unlistenable.
Give it up Vinny.
Reviewer: LouTFisk - - November 12, 2005
Subject: A little understanding...
I've seen Vince with Gent Treadly twice now. Clearly they haven't played together much but the vibe of the shows was great. The recording may not capture that fully. Check out the bios of Gent Treadly and you can see where the setlists come from. I think the bassist spent a few days with Dark Star Orchestra.
Reviewer: patkelley - - October 30, 2005
Subject: this is weird
I dont know how I feel about this one. The sound is so-so, but what I think is weird is the song selection. Vince has a bunch of his own songs, so why does he resort to all these Dead songs which are performed sort of badly here? I actually love Vince's work in the Dead, as opposed to what most other deadheads think. But this is not one of his finer moments. It sounds like he's playing in a corner dive bar with a garage-based GD cover band. It's actually kind of sad. Plus, personally, I dont think anyone else should ever play So Many Roads. That's crossing a line.
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